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August 11th, 2005

a thumbnail image of Private William Irvin Foreman Private William Irvin ForemanPrivate William Irvin Foreman of Cantonsville, Maryland, joined the Corps in 1943. A member of the Special Weapons Group of the 51st Defense Battalion, he was stationed in Hawaii for the duration of World War II. Discharged after the war, he returned to Catonsville, where he now resides in retirement.

INTERVIEWER: The first thing I want you to do is state your full name and spell it for me, please.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, William Irvin Foreman, Sr., W-I-L-L-I-A-M I-R-V-I-N F-O-R-E-M-A-N, Sr.

INTERVIEWER: And today's date, August 11, 2005.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Mm hmm, August. Mm hmm.


WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: August, today is August the 11th, 2005.

INTERVIEWER: Now, first thing is, can you tell us a little bit about your background before you joined the Marines?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, certainly. I was, uh, I was, well I was born in a rural area, place called Catonsville, Maryland, and I went to the public school there. I dropped out in the 11th grade, on account of, uh, family difficulties, I should say, because things weren't too well in those days. So I came out to go to work. And, uh, that's when, uh, when I came of age and I turned 18, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Tell me a little bit your family, brothers, sisters, mother, father.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, I'm from what we call a single-parent family, uh, so to speak. Uh, my mom died, uh, when I was 11 years old, in 1936. Uh, my father raised us. There was my sister, two other brothers and myself, and he did a magnificent job, uh, to be such a small man and with such a small salary. Um, he was able to do what, with a dollar, which I can't imagine what people think about it today. But he was able to squeeze out every penny so that we would have food to eat and clothes to wear. Fine, fine young man. I'm really proud of my father, mm hmm.


WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED)Well, I completed the 11th grade in, uh, Public School 21 in Catonsville, Maryland. And after that is when I went into the service. Um, when I returned, in fact, I did some small study in the service and then when I returned, I did the (STAMMERS) evening school classes at the Catonsville Senior High School down in my area, uh huh, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Now, uh, the Army, Navy were all open to African-Americans back during the period you joined the Marines. Why did you join the Marines?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Well, I'm a Selective Service person. And, uh, when we went down for the interview to be inducted, um, that, the line was there for the Navy or the Marine Corps. And I thought, since there was such a challenge in the Marine Corps that that would be the branch that I would choose, and I chose the Marine Corps to, uh, serve at that particular time, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Why do you, why did you think there was a challenge in the Marine Corps? What, what was about the challenge?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (OVERLAPPING) Well, there was such a tradition there and, uh, there was one other, uh, of my comrades that went in before me and he was in the Marine Corps. And, I thought that would be something different from what we had seen in my community. Um, most of my, uh, other (STAMMERS) friends were carryovers from what we called the Civilian Conservation Corps. And they went immediately into the Army. And I thought there should be something different so I had chosen the Marine Corps as mine, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: When you, when you joined the Marine Corps, did you, did you know that they hadn't, had not accepted African-Americans? And if, if you, if you knew that, did it have anything to do with your wanting to go into the Marine Corps?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: No. I really wasn't aware that there weren't any, uh, African-Americans in the Marine Corps at that time. Um, I figured it was just another outstanding branch of the Service where you could, uh, where the possibilities were numerous and you could, if you could qualify, and, and, uh, um, be one, one of the gentlemen that were in the Marine Corps then it would be a, a plus in your, your career, so I chose the Marine Corps, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Now, talk to me a little bit about, uh, after you had signed up and, and you had to, you know, you had to go down to Montford Point, can you talk to me a little bit about the day you left, how was it at home and, and your good-byes and, and your trip down to Jacksonville?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Well, it was, uh, I didn't see there was any (STAMMERS) any different from anything else, just a regular, regular day, it's been so long ago. But, uh, I left home and, uh, I bid my father and my sister and my brothers, let them know that I was going into the Marine Corps. Um, we boarded the, uh, train there and, uh, which was really an experience for us because, uh, all, all the black folk had to sit in the rear of the cars at that time. And on the trip down, it was, wasn't really eventful because we ran into a lot of civilians and, uh, we mingled with them going down. Um, I didn't see anything unusual about it because, uh, we'd gone that way before.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) We knew what the (STAMMERS) the custom was on trains and everything in the South. So we knew our (STAMMERS) position would be in the rear of the car, so that, that's where we made our way back. And we just mingled with the folk until we reached our destination down at, uh, Montford Point at Jacksonville, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Did you have any, did you have any problems, uh, on the trip down with other folks? Uh, would you, could you elaborate on that?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, no. It, uh, fortunately, things went smooth because, uh, we blended right in with the, all, all the people that were on the train. Um, some folk were traveling and, uh, as (STAMMERS) you know, um, folks that go south, uh, they usually have their lunch boxes or baskets or something like that. And it was a wonderful experience because they shared some sandwiches with us and things like that, which made the trip, uh, uh, little better for us. Uh, there was, I can't recall any incidents, uh, that I would, uh, say that would, uh, would stick out in my mind (STAMMERS) mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Now, uh, if you would state the year that all of this happened and tell me, when you did arrive at Montford Point and you got off the bus, what, what was your first impression? What did you do, what was your first impression? Now, I went through training right down the road here, Quantico.

INTERVIEWER: (CONTINUED) To OCS. And, uh, first thing, I can tell you, the first thing that happened to me was we got off the bus and we had to stand on these preprinted, uh, footprints, and that kind of thing. Then came the drill instructor, then the hollering and screaming. And they get, you know, all the haircuts and all of that. So can you, can you tell me about your first, first of all, the year that you actually reported aboard? And the day and the year, if you can remember it. And then what it was like after that?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Ye; I, I reported there on May 10, 1943. And, uh, right after we got off bus, uh, at the camp, you were immediately taken out of civilian life and put into the military life. In other words, they grabbed you and, and, uh, shook you and shook (STAMMERS) with your clothing and things like that, which was really something that you hadn't had before because, uh, uh, things were kinda quiet in civilian life, but you knew immediately that there was something different about this camp. And so they shook you up a bit. They, uh, whatever type clothes you had on, there was criticism about that.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) Whatever type shoes you had on or socks or whatever. They immediately took you out of that venue and put you into what we would term as a military career right away. In other words, uh, you got the rough part. As soon as you entered, you knew that there was gonna be obstacles ahead. So you had to brace yourself for them, but I don't think you could actually brace yourself for something like that because it was something that was new to you and you didn't really know what was going on. So you just stood there with all the abuse, the, I mean, there was some words that I don't think was even in the other language, other than, than English that they spoke to you about, that they called you.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) And, and names and other things that, other than your name. And then after that, uh, we were sort of stable a bit. But they wouldn't let you get your breath because there was always something to do. The, uh, DI's were, uh, uh, all the folk there, there's this, uh, I guess it was a recruit sergeant, now that we know that, but he was the type of fellow that was aggressive. And, uh, if there was any movement at all, he was right there in your collar, and I mean, as I said before, they immediately took you out of civilian life and gave you your first taste of military life on that spot. I'll tell you, it was something that, uh, it can't be described, uh, by any individual. You have to be there, you have to go through it to understand what it's all about. I mean (LAUGH), yes, sir.

INTERVIEWER: Now, did you, uh, when you, when you got your first view of your new surroundings, the camp, the buildings, the layout, the grounds, what did you see?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: There was nothing there but barren land. I, I couldn't imagine people living in such dire straits. Um, I knew things were bad during the Depression, but the, to look at that camp and to find out that that's where you were going to be for the next, uh, five or six weeks, you couldn't really imagine being, living in conditions like that. I mean, they were, they were horrible. Um, it looks like they were, somebody got a, uh, a batch of cardboard and put it together with, with, uh, staple guns or something like that. That's, that's where we were supposed to live. And the sand and the mosquitoes were, I mean, they were terrible. You'd never experienced anything like in your life.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) In fact, you can't imagine, uh, anything like that in this great land of ours. Mosquitoes, sand, flies and everything else that you can imagine. It was really something, I'll tell you.

INTERVIEWER: Can you describe a typical training day?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, certainly. Um, whatever time, uh, the DI saw fit to get you, to arouse you up, uh, that was your day. Of course, there was reveille I think around 6:00. But the DI would come around and, I was in the 64th Platoon and he would say, all right. I want that 64th Platoon on the outside. And when I come to, to there, I want to see 64 living statues and a cloud of dust. That was your first order. And (STAMMERS) we were still in civilian clothes, but we knew that we were in the 64th Platoon. So when he came around, since we'd been shook up the first time, we knew what the consequence would be if we didn't report right at that time. So it was really preposterous, something that you can't imagine.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) Uh, it, it seemed as if you were something that they were trying to transfix into a different character, and they made it known to you that you're not a civilian anymore. You're now in the military and they made it plain to you in that vein. Yes, sir, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: When you, uh, finished training (TECHNICAL). I don't know if these gentlemen were there or not, but I'd, I'd like you to say something about them if you would. They were instructors; Tony Gaslow and Gito Jones. I don't know if they were there when you were there.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Yeah, they were there when I was there, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Can you just talk a little bit about, call, say their names so the people, you know, looking will know who we're talking about. If you would just tell us a little bit about what they did and, and I think they taught hand-to-hand combat. But if you would just talk to a little, that, because that was part of your training there. Talk a little bit about that and mention their names.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, yeah. That was, that was part, part of our basic training to, uh, come in contact with, uh, Gito Jones and Mr. Gaslow. Um, they were both called, we called it Jujitsu at that time, but they were hand-to-hand combat instructors. And, uh, in fact, they were quite liberal with you at, during the first time, because they knew that you, that this was something new to you. But as you progress in, in their art, uh, they were really tight on you. Um, they, uh, they, they let you know that, when you, in hand-to-hand combat, had to be on your P's and Q's at all times because you were the victim. And, uh, the person that was, uh, coming to you was the aggressor and you had to be able to defend yourself, uh, during all of those atrocities and things like that.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) Uh, they taught us the art of self-defense, which means that, uh, if someone is, uh, trying to be the aggressor to you, you're supposed to fend them off the best way that you can. And they taught us the exact holds and things like that which you're supposed to use to, uh, uh, get rid of your enemy, to defend yourself, uh, in hand-to-hand combat. But was really interesting, really interesting, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Now, when you left, um, well, let me go back, um, liberty. Did you ever go on liberty in Jacksonville?


INTERVIEWER: If so, tell us a little bit about what it was like, what was available to you, encounters you may have had.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Oh, certainly. Uh, my first encounter with Jacksonville, uh, I understood before I left camp that there would be a railroad track in the middle of the city. And that, uh, all of the, uh, the, uh, white Marines, so to speak, were on this side of the railroad track, and you had liberty down on the other side of the tracks, down in the bottom. So we, we understood that going. So, uh, not being an aggressive person, I knew where my place was and I knew what I was supposed to do. So when I went on liberty, I immediately went, uh, down into the bottom, uh, where there was a pool table and a pool room and things like that, and you, you met your friends there. Um, I was, uh, at Montford Point for, for about ten months, so I made a few acquaintances in Jacksonville and they let me in on the ins and outs of what goes on down there.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) Well, the, the main thing when you come into town on Friday afternoon is, if you hadn't had chow before you left camp, uh, the first thing you do would be order your fish sandwich and your, your quart of beer. That was the, the staple there. And, uh, that got, usually got you over. And if you were aggressive and you wanted to, uh, get into some of the other stuff, um, everybody knows that, uh, there was corn liquor, uh, going around at that time. And if you wanted to get into some of that, uh, you just asked the person for it. However, in the, the interim, when you were introduced into this, uh, corn liquor, my, being a person that had never taken it before, the first thing it did was shook you from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet because it was that strong.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) But as you got into it and you started talking to the local natives, they told you that the first thing you do when you come into town is put a lining on your stomach. And since collard greens was the staple in the area, you get a batch of collard greens and then you put the lining on your stomach. And whatever else that would contain grease or butter, that would, would create that track down there, which (LAUGH) which would let this, this, uh, uh, corn liquor go down smoothly, although it had its effect on you, because it was 100 percent alcohol (LAUGH). What an experience in Jacksonville, I'll tell you (LAUGH).

INTERVIEWER: After, did you go on liberty in any other, other surrounding areas, and if so, did you have any interesting encounters in those areas?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, yeah. Um, well, now, getting back to Jacksonville, I made some friends there and, uh, the people I was acquainted with, uh, were playing baseball, so that, that was my attraction to Jacksonville. As we, we branched out a bit and (STAMMERS) went to Kinston and Wilmington. And I had a friend in, friends in Kinston because it seemed that, uh, if you're a type of person that's not really boisterous or aggressive, then you can make friends wherever you go. So I think I made friends mostly in, in Kinston. I can't recall their names now. And, uh, in Wilmington and in New Bern, which were our liberty towns. I really enjoyed the hospitality there, uh, because being on the southern end of the border myself, I knew what southern hospitality was all about. And that's what I looked for while I was there. Now, I didn't criticize any parts of it because I knew what to expect. And that's, that's what I, I ran into.

INTERVIEWER: Did you ever encounter any whites, uh, while you were in uniform who recognized you as, uh, a black Marine, and if so, were there any, anything, was there any you remember you might want to tell us about?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, yeah. Well, that, that was the first thing we ran into. Uh, I don't think the, uh, the white Marines were accustomed to blacks, uh, being in their uniform and, uh, this was some scuffles there. Uh, however, I never got into one, fortunately, uh, because I, I knew the job of the SP's and the MP's and I was told that, uh, once you see those persons, they were just like police officers in your city. And if you run afoul of the law, they're the ones that you're going to be accosted with. However, I know there was resentment. I never came into any aggression against any of those, those fellows like that. But I knew there, of incidents that were (STAMMERS) perpetrated there.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) We know that they, uh, I hate to say this, but some of them were resentful of us being in their uniform because it was something that they hadn't experienced. And, you know, you can't really blame them for that because if there's something that you hold onto dearly and then there's somebody that's going to infiltrate that, you have to get the, uh, you have to get used to those people before you come around on board there, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Where did you, where did you go when you left Montford Point (STAMMERS) If, you didn't stay there during your whole service?


INTERVIEWER: Did you get transferred away from Jacksonville to anywhere? Tell us about that.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Um, no. I, I, I spent most of my time there. I was, uh, on, on, at Montford Point for about ten months. Because I took my training with the 51st Defense Battalion while I was there, and, uh, I was in what was called the Special Weapons Group, uh, where we had the, uh, I, I first started out with the, uh, I was what we called the azimuth tracker on the .20 millimeter. Um, we had the, frankly, I think they were sort of antiquated at the time. They had this big box that you peer through with the scope, to spot the planes in the air. And that when you were on the right side of this box, you were what was called the azimuth tracker.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) And you would track the planes down as they flow through the air, and when you got them in your cross hair, you would tell the operator, steady on, and they would lock you onto that, uh, to that particular spot there where you were. But I took my training with the 51st, uh, which was really, really interesting. Um, we knew all about the, uh, special weapons, your, uh, I think they had a machine gun at that time, but we were very (STAMMERS) instructed precisely in our rifles, uh, the, uh, M-1. You were able to take it down, uh, piece by piece, and then you had to clean most of your parts because there was sand and grit in it.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) That became your, your personal point there, uh, the training on your rifle. And that was, uh, that was attached to you all through your service. And we learned through, we had some very good instructors that taught us how to break it down, to clean it and put it back together. And then for the final test, um, they would blindfold you and you held, had the feeling of the parts and you could put your rifle back together blindfolded, which was really a task, really a task, um-huh, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: So you never deployed overseas?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, yes. Um, after, after I left the 51st I was transferred out of the 51st and ended up with the 21st Marine Depot Company. I, I left, uh, left, uh, Montford Point and, uh, I think we were, uh, went from there to, uh, Norfolk, Virginia, where we boarded the, the troop transport. As soon as I got to Norfolk and I smelled the diesel fuel, I was sick right off the bat. So I stayed sick most of the time on that journey. I remember boarding that ship, I can't recall the name of it at that time, but I know we were on the, we were on board that ship for 23 days. I remember the trip down through the Panama Canal. We went through the locks and all like that. I finally got over my seasickness enough to come out of the hold to see what the locks looked like.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) And then as we finally got our sea legs, um, before we left Panama Canal going down to Hawaii, we ended up, uh, in Pearl City in Hawaii. I think I finally got my sea legs maybe a day or so before we got to Pearl City, and I was able to balance my tray and eat just a bit (LAUGH) . And I thought at that time, well, I was an old salt because I had, was able to, to stay afloat and to balance my tray. We were embarked, we embarked at, uh, Pearl City and, uh, from there we were transferred to, uh, uh, what we called the, uh, up on Red Hill. We were transferred from, uh, Pearl Harbor over to Hilo.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) That's where I spent most of my time. I was supposed to be on one of those forward units where, when the fellows came back up for R and R, we were supposed to (STAMMERS) to spell them. But I guess we were so good in packing our ammunition and building pallets there that they kept us there, because I think the war was escalating at that time and I think we were an essential of it, although we were receiving the raw material, package them for, to send down on to the fellows that were actually in combat, mm hmm, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Did you, did you stay in Hawaii, or did you deploy further overseas, and if so, where did you go?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Mm hmm. No, I was in, uh, in, uh, Hawaii for 26 months. Uh, I stayed right there because it seemed that, uh, when they came, when we were supposed to rotate with these other people, the group that I was with, uh, seemed to be stationed right there on Red Hill. So that's as far as we got. We were in Hawaii for 26 months until the duration, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: So you were never involved in combat?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Right. None at all, no.

INTERVIEWER: What, what did you do in Hawaii? What, what was the name nature of your job? Just give me a typical day in your life on-the-job.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (STAMMERS) We were mainly, uh, well, I guess, uh, stevedores or things like that. Uh, then when we first got there, it was all rural area. There was nothing there but, uh, volcano rock. And we had to take, uh, I was assigned to, uh, call, we call them jackhammers, one of the air hammers. You have to drill a hole in the coral rock, uh, to make the latrines, uh, because everything was outside there. I remember that, that was really hard labor. And then we were up in the other areas, uh, spreading, uh, barbed wire (STAMMERS) around our perimeter, I remember that. And, uh, that's when I got my first taste of chewing tobacco.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) He said, uh, while you're out there all day long, you need something to keep your pallet moist. So it was my first taste of, uh, chewing tobacco, which made me terribly sick. I hadn't (LAUGH) chewed tobacco until that day, but that was a, just, we were mainly laborers. Uh, we were, uh, packing the ammunition and, uh, anything else that need to be sent down to the folks that were in the front lines, that was our main duty. It was, tedious, but yet, uh, essential, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Did you develop, uh, any relationships with, uh, any, any, any, uh, whites while you were in the Marine Corps? Did you, did you interact with any? And if so, what were the circumstances?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: No. I, I don't recall, uh, ever coming in contact with, with any. I was mostly, uh, I was mostly with the African-American groups all my life there. Um, I never came in contact with any of them, mm hmm, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Sir, the, the fact that you went to Montford Point, in my mind, and I'm a younger guy. And I look the, at you all as, uh, being, uh, pioneers in a way. Uh, at the time you didn't realize that or you, maybe you didn't even think about it, I don't know. But, but, I, I look at your service, I look at you. And all of those people who went through, with reverence, because you were, you were. Ain't no way in the world I could have gotten as far as I did in the Marine Corps and these young Generals walking around here now with stars on their collar.

INTERVIEWER: (CONTINUED) If it had not have been for folks like you. That was historically significant. And I would like for to you tell us if you can, what you think about your, your part in all of that? Do you have any thoughts, any reflections?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Well, uh, I don't know. It really didn't hit me until after, uh, I was discharged and came out again. Uh, I didn't really realize that there weren't any blacks in the Marine Corps during that time. And since, uh, uh, we've, we've found out now that we were the pioneers in there, uh, it, it's, I think it's a significant step for our people, for African-Americans. And, uh, since I didn't really play a significant part in it, but just that I was, uh, a part of the first group there, uh, I tried to bring those fellows that were in combat or the fellows that, uh, had a lot of, uh, combat training or things like that, in, in the Corps, I tried to bring them to the forefront. That, that, that's my, my main goal now.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) The fact that I was part of it makes me proud, certainly. And, uh, I know that, uh, it's always a citizen's duty to defend his country, whatever way, uh, you see fit. And since, uh, I chose my lot to spend with the Marine Corps, I hope it's a significant step toward, uh, mankind, even history. And that somebody will remember that, uh, there were some black fellows that went through Montford Point, who made the mark and came up to all the traditions that the Marine Corps observes. And I, I think that we were a credit to them and I hope that, uh, they, they find the same thing with us finally, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Do you think the Marine Corps experience affected your, your life, subsequent to your service in the Marines? You think it affected you in any way, made you a better person, or, or did anything for you?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Oh, my service in the Marine Corps? By all means. The first thing it taught me was discipline. The second thing taught me was patience (BACKGROUND NOISE) . And the third thing it taught me, that treat your fellow man the same that you'd have him treat you. The Marine Corps, I think, is an excellent place for anyone that wants to go in. The discipline there is unforgettable (BACKGROUND NOISE) . You'd never forget it as long as you live. It makes you want to be proud to be a Marine. They want you to be proud of the part that you play in defending your country, and they want you to be proud of the friendships that made there while you were in the Corps.

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: (CONTINUED) And it makes you proud to see the, the, uh, the folks that you knew in those days, how they've matured. It makes you proud to see the progress that the fellows have made who came after you. And I'm awfully glad I went in and I want to thank the, I want to thank my DI's for being so hard on me. I want to thank, uh, thank them for giving what is known as discipline, to teach me discipline, patience and perseverance. And I want to thank all of them for that. I hope that this has made some impression on somebody, somewhere, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: If you had it to do all over again, Mr. Foreman, would you do it?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Oh, certainly. I certainly would. I, I, I love the Marine Corps and I think anybody that's been there would want to go through it again, mm hmm, mm hmm.

INTERVIEWER: Do you have anything else you want to tell us?

WILLIAM IRVIN FOREMAN: Uh, No. I, I think, uh, it, uh, the Marine Corps training did a lot as far as my civilian life was concerned. It made me understand that when you're given a task, that you're supposed to do it to the best of your ability. You're supposed to see it through to fruition. You're supposed to see that it's completed. And any, any task that you're given, take it, uh, do the best you can with it. And always try to be an example for the ones that's coming after you. (TECHNICAL)

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