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ISAAC DAVID FRASIER

July 22, 2005


a thumbnail image of Isaac David Frasier Isaac David Frasier Isaac David Frasier was born on Seabrook Island in Colleton County, South Carolina. Drafted out of his senior class in 1943, he was assigned to the Marine Corps. Placed in the 4th Ammunition Company, he participated in the invasion of Guam. Discharged after the war, he returned to South Carolina and earned a degree in biology at Claflin University in Orangeburg. Moving to New York City, he obtained a position as a medical technician at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, where he worked until 1988. In 1999 he returned to South Carolina and now resides in Charleston.


INTERVIEWER: Ok, let, let me start with a couple of questions, sir.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Ok.

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) And then (STAMMERS) you'll have an opportunity to come back to what you were just saying. But, uh, I'd like you to state your full name for us, on camera, and spell it if you would, sir.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Isaac David Frasier. I-S-A-A-C. D, David, D-A-V-I-D. Frasier. F-R-A-S-I-E-R.

INTERVIEWER: Sure. And today's date?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Today is July the 22nd, 22nd, 2005.

INTERVIEWER: Okay, sir. Now, sir, if you would, tell us a bit about your background, before joining the Marines, where, where you're from, your family and your education.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: I was born on an island in Carlington County. At that particular time when I was born, in 1925, May the 2nd, it was known as Seabrook Island. Today it has been changed to Fedrick Island (SP?). My sister came for me when I was one week old. My mother told her at that particular time that I was too young, and she came on back into the city, where she was living, in the city of Charleston.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) She came back five weeks later. That mean (SIC) I was six weeks old. And she asked my mother for me. I am the baby of 15 kids on a farm. At one time my grand, or great-grandfather owned the whole island. And his name was David Smalls. He had four children at that particular time, two boys and two girls. The children were Aitpe Smalls, Sonny Small, I mean, uh, Aitpe Small, Uncle Sonny Smalls and Toad Smalls and Elizabeth Small (SIC), my mother. The children may not be correctly in the order in which I stated it, but those were his four children.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) I got the name David from my uncle. David Smalls was his name. So, to come back to the story, how I got into the city, my sister, Essie, at that particular time, Oliver, brought me into the city, Essie and my brother, Robert H. Frasier. She raised me until I got to be about five or six, all the time along when I became sense (SIC) enough to know that she was not my mother.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) But she had a gift that I think that a lot of Americans should have and that was to be to able to divide love and to share whatever she had equally among the four children that she had. She had two of her own and she took one of my sister, one of our sister kid (SIC) to raise along with us. And I, being her brother, so there was four of us (UNINTELLIGIBLE) who were raised.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) I attended Bew School (SP?) on Callum Street (SP?) when I became of age, and I graduated from Bew School. And from Bew School I went to Burke School. All along, with summers, after the school closed, Thanksgiving and Easter, I was sent in the country. A bad youngster. I was bad. From what they told me, I was bad. Uh, then after, while I was in my senior year at Burke, and I'm skipping some of the story, because we're now into 1943, the part that I think you would be most interested in, the world was at (STAMMERS) the United State (SIC) was at war. I was drafted. We went to Columbia in what was known as a, a converted automobile carrier into a truck, like a bus.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And we sat on the side of it with benches, and it was where I went to the induction (STAMMERS) station. I was drafted, now, I did not volunteer. I was drafted in 1943, middle way through my senior year at Burke High School. Uh, I put down, they have a choice as to which branch of the service you want, I took the Navy. But I learned later that South Carolina had a quota of Blacks that they needed to drafted for the Marines. And that's how I got into Marine (SIC). I came back home, came back home, and I think we got seven days furlough, seven or 14 days furlough. Then we, uh, went into Camp Lejeune.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) My first experience, my first time, no, it wasn't my first time, I played football, I'm, so I traveled with the football team. But I went, and we went into Jacksonville. When I got into Jacksonville, my first-time encounter with an MP. Ok, he lined us all up and he got us together and waited until another bus came in. Then he made a phone call. And they sent a weapons carrier or a truck, a six-by out to pick us up. And when we got to Montford Point Camp there was a man out there that they called, I later learned that they called him Boot Killer.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) He made us take off our civilian clothing, our hat and our overcoat. And we used to call it a hat, at that particular time the Zoot Suit was in style, with the wide-brimmed hat and stuff and I had one of those on. And he made us put it down in between our leg and we had to stomp on it. And he said he didn't want to see it anymore. From there he led us to a barracks, which was made out of, later learned, out of pressed wood and not even pressed wood, it was pressed paper.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And each one of us took a bed. And the next morning he called us out and we were extra men. And for a given period of time we were referred to as extra men because we were not put into a platoon yet. And I learned then you don't volunteer no more. It was cold, bitter cold, believe me, and he asked for volunteer (SIC) and I end up on the bathroom detail. They didn't call it a bathroom. They called it a head, referred to it in the Marine Corps as a head at that particular time. And I was put in the detail to clean the head. And ever since then I don't volunteer any more for nothing.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) That's how come I'm very difficult to deal with. So, uh, then later on, I was put into a platoon, and if I'm not mistake (SIC) it was the 245th Platoon. There was 36 men to a platoon at that particular time. We were divided in full ranks, which was called a squad. And, uh, Corporal Green was our DI. He came over and he got us and he took us and we got our hair cut. First he gave us our supply of clothing, boondock shoes and et cetera. Then from there he took us and we all got a bed and got into a barracks, not the kind of barracks that you would see there today.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Those, to me, are, I says, the city moved to Montford Point. And we had to run everywhere we went. We wore the, the (SOUNDS LIKE) symbol on our pisciotta cap (SP?). And with a (STAMMERS) a tag being the background of it. That was your indication that you were a freshman to a certain extent. You were new. And, from there, he drilled us every day and I can't, I can't, I can't knock Green as a DI. He was a wonderful man. He did a hell of a job. I taught, he taught us discipline. I had discipline because I was raised by a lady.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) I was disciplined before I got there. But those who were not disciplined he disciplined them. Uh, our (STAMMERS) company commander was named was Ball. Sergeant Ball. You mentioned Huff. I remembered Sergeant Huff. He was a Navy man if I'm not mistake before he came into the Marine. They were setting up the Marines Corps at Montford Point, for the Blacks. So, therefore, they took some of the guys out of the Navy, uh, who had rank and they made them into Marines. And I think Huff was one of those men...

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) (SOUNDS LIKE) It was Ashmar Johnson (SP?) that you were referring to.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Yeah. Johnson, yeah. Ok, and, uh, after boot camp was over with, some of the things that we did in boot camp is that we went on hikes, we did manual of arms, we did bayonet practicing. Uh, on Sunday we went to church as a group, because on Sunday is when Sergeant Ball put us all on display. And I used to love Sergeant Ball to call cadence. He was, he was good at it, good at it. And he used to show off his company and to see a whole company march up and down that main street and (STAMMERS) going through the routine all at one time, it was something to behold.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) But it was good. Um, then after boot camp we went to the rifle range for two weeks and I did not, I was not an expert. But I did qualify. And then after that we got 14 days, we got 14 days leave to come home.

INTERVIEWER: Would you say the general spirit, or attitude, of the Marines, you, you just painted a really good picture, I think, of what life was like at Montford Point, but would you say that most of the Marines were into it, uh, the spiritual high, that good attitudes, or, just...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Well I would have to say 99 percent of the Marines at that particular time, at that particular time, at, at the Point, at Montford Point, they were, they were in. You must remember this country was at war. Whether you wanted to be there or not, you were there. And since you was there, you made the best of it. Some of the young men that I met there, we're still in contact with.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And we're in contact with each other. We get together occasionally and we talk about some of the fun and some of the things that we had there and some of the things that we did. But as I said, our, our, our DI, instructor, he was a man, but we, my platoon in particular I didn't create a whole lot, problem. We didn't have a lot of problem. We did as we were told to do without questioning, okay?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) So I don't, I don't know what's going on now because they don't, they don't send Marines as, as I know of, to go to Montford Point. They all talk about Parris Island now and I tell them Parris Island is a city, to compare to what we did. Yes, some of the DI (STAMMERS) drill instructors they marched their platoon into the bay, we used to call it, they was boondock. There was a young lady we used to call Boomdock, Miss Boomdock.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) But, you know, we didn't have a problem. I met young men in that, in the Marine Corps from Texas, uh, from Virginia, uh, all over. But we were all in according. We were all on one (SOUNDS LIKE) pay. Whatever we were going to do, we were going to be the best at it.

INTERVIEWER: You were about to tell me about, uh, liberty, you know, your first, uh, going on liberty the first time or after boot camp. You were about to tell me that before I asked you that question, so...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Well, after boot camp and I went on the rifle range, then after the rifle range, we got 14 days, we came home, and I returned to the boot, I returned to Montford Point, and that's when we were put into a company. We were called, I was put into the 4th Ammunition Company, okay? And, uh, again, we were breaken (SIC) up and put into, into platoons, and I think there was four platoons which goes to make up a company.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And there are four squad that goes to make up a platoon. Uh, luckily I was, I was chosen as a squad leader, along with a young man, he's dead now, John H. Green. Uh, another young man by the name of Gravely, from Virginia. A, a short man out of Texas by the name of Cookie. I think his name was Charles Cook. And we were good at it. And I think Gravely was our best driller. He was, he, he, he had, uh, (BACKGROUND NOISE) the first squad and I used to like to see Gravely just danced when he got to the place where he got time to make a right flank or a left flank. I used to love to see Gravely do it.

INTERVIEWER: Um, when you went home, as a Marine, did, did people recognize you as a Marine?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Oh, yeah.

INTERVIEWER: And, (STAMMERS) did you encounter any racism, 'cause Blacks were new to the Marine Corps. And did you encounter any racism, uh, about being a Marine?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Racism in the South, in the state of Charleston, in the state of South Carolina, will always be. When I came back here in 1999, they told me that it's a new South and I said, yes, it's a new South, but the same old furniture.

INTERVIEWER: But nothing against you personally because you were a Marine?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Well, no, no...

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) I see.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: I did not run into that, well, you must remember now, being raised by a lady, and I respect her, God bless her, may she rest in peace wherever she is. I respect her and I always say there were two things about her. One is that I was either afraid of her or I loved her to death.

INTERVIEWER: Okay. Well, let me, uh, I know we're, we got, uh, (STAMMERS) some time constraints here, but let me ask you this. Did, did you ever see combat, sir? Did you ever go...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Yes.

INTERVIEWER: ...overseas?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Yes.

INTERVIEWER: Could you talk to us a little bit about that?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Well, before I get there, I think you have to let me tell, bring you up and prepare you for that. On one (STAMMERS) remember I told you (STAMMERS) after boot camp, and after the rifle range, okay, we came home. Then we came back to the Point. Now they were getting us ready for which was considered as advanced training, okay. And to get the (STAMMERS) advanced training, we stayed at the Point for about three weeks.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Then from there, we were sent out to California, okay, and, uh, was that Camp Pendleton out there? Camp Pendleton and, and this was now 1944, okay? And we stayed there for about a month, and from there we were put on a troop transplant, troops transport and we were sent overseas, Southwest Pacific, on the Macarthur control. And Macarthur was controlled by Admiral Nimitz at that particular time. So I referred to it, the Southwest Pacific, as where I served at. We went onto an island, where, Guadalcanal.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And we got training there. There, at Guadalcanal, is when I found out about Benjamin Davis. Because the war in Europe was just about to wind down, among the middle or the latter part of 1944, okay? So, uh, we got some training there, but at the same time we were preparing, they were preparing us, and I still was a squad leader, they still, and I was a corporal then, they was preparing us for the invasion as a backup group for Saipan. The United State (SIC) got kicked at Saipan, they got kicked very, very heavy at Saipan.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) I think they lost more money, I mean, they lost more men in recapturing the island of Saipan, although it may not have been the smallest island in the, but the Japanese were very, very well fortified there. So we were backed up for the group that went in. So, but we didn't go in at Saipan, they didn't need us. From Saipan and all, and traveling all that time on that water in the Pacific on a, on what they call an L-S, L-S-T, okay, a flat bottom boat, and we had a lot of Seabees on there, okay, and they had a lot of the equipment on that, on that ship, on that boat. Then we went in on, at the, Guam.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) See, at, the males at that particular time used to be dropped by helicopter, okay, and we went in I guess, about the Black Marines now I'm saying, went in on Guam, about the third or the fourth wave, you see? Because in doing an invasion and, have you been involved in it?

INTERVIEWER: (SOUNDS LIKE) No, sir.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: You haven't. (STAMMERS) Doing it, they send people in, they send troops in, in waves, they call first wave, second wave, third wave, from et cetera. And I guess we were about third or fourth wave that went in. So, and what our jobs were to do is to set up an ammunition dump and we set an ammunition dump, and while setting up the ammunition dump at Guam, I discovered, or I had come to the understanding that it was very hard lifting those 50 millimeters.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Lifting the O-9s, the ammunition for the O-9 and the way we used to set it up is that we would use trees, you'd cut trees down and you shaped it, cut the limbs off the trees and you lay it so that the box is not, the ammunition is not sitting on the ground. Air is able to go under it, okay? So, uh, then after they secured the island, they secured Guam, we moved up in the hill and we set up camp in the hill.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And, uh, I went into the First Sergeant one morning and I said to him that the men morale was very, very low, because we had, we used to have to go down to the Fifth Ammunition Depot, which was White, and they, and then we would draw supply from them and come back and once a month or once a week and it was issued out to the men. So I told him that we needed a PX on base, uh, the Second Ammunition Company and the Fourth Ammunition Company was stationed together.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) One was on this side of the road and the other one was on that side of the road. We were always kept separate and he told me, he said, well I can't put you in charge of it, but I can advertise it, you were right. And he did, and I got it. Now, due to the mere fact that I was not a sergeant at that particular time, they brought a White guy from the Fifth Ammunition headquarters, which was White, to be in charge of the PX.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Okay, and you know what PX, where you call it Post Exchange or whatever you want to call it. So, uh, he stayed there until I got the rank of a sergeant. And I, they drafted another guy came out of this, out of a company to work with by the name of Julius Mack. He's deceased now. He is a Charlestonian also, uh, and from Guam, we stayed on Guam I guess for about two to two, two years or two-and-a-half years. And while on Guam, they, (STAMMERS) Admiral Nimitz moved his headquarters from Hawaii up to Guam. Then the next island that they took was Okinawa.

INTERVIEWER: Did you, uh, have to take up arms yourself and, and actually...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) No.

INTERVIEWER: ...be involved in combat?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) No. No.

INTERVIEWER: Okay, so you were just in support of it...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Right.

INTERVIEWER: ...with (STAMMERS) Ammunition Company.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Mm-hmm, no, I didn't.

INTERVIEWER: Okay, sir. Um, did you develop any White friends while you were in the Marines?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: No. Well you must remember that the, our, our company, the Second and Fourth Platoon, was completely Black except for the NCOs. Except for the, the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and I don't remember his name, he was a captain and I should have remembered his name.

INTERVIEWER: How, how long were you actually in the Marine Corps?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Three-and-a-half years.

INTERVIEWER: Yeah, and then (COUGH) you, when you left, the camp was, uh, still there?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Yes. I was discharged from camp, they brought us back to the West Coast, shipped us across country and brought us back to Camp Lejeune. And I was discharged the first of April, 1946. I was asked to come to re-enlist and I refused to.

INTERVIEWER: I see. You, you are a part of history, actually. I mean, that, because of that experience, that unique experience, sir, you, you are, a, a part of history and, and I'd like to ask you what you think is the historical significance of the Montford Point Marines.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: To me?

INTERVIEWER: Yes, sir.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: When I was in there, I think the discipline, but as I said, I didn't need it. The way that, the camaraderie of the men that was there, the, the way we got along together, the way we went to the Slop Chute...

INTERVIEWER: Yes, sir.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: They, you've heard that name before.

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) Oh, yeah.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: The Slop Chute. And we, we didn't, we didn't fight. We didn't argue. We didn't fuss. If you wrote your name down for next on the pool table you played pool. That was the most game there, but you got beers and things like that.

INTERVIEWER: Well, yeah, I, I got a chance to come into the Marine Corps as an officer. Uh, and during your day there just were none. I mean, you were the first of any kind, any kind of African-American to serve as a Marine. But today we have generals who, and, and I think the, the significance of your being there was the beginning of opportunities for other African-Americans, and not just African-Americans but women and other minority groups, to serve in a, in a, in a force that was literally all White before you, before you.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Yeah.

INTERVIEWER: Do you have a comment on that? The fact that I had the opportunity where others didn't prior to me, prior to you.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: It's an opportunity and then taking advantage of that opportunity as it presents itself to you. You must remember, I told you there was three, or maybe four decision that I made, good decisions that I made in my lifetime. And I'm not a youngster today. I'm 80 years old, you see? So I, I would have to say out of the Marine Corps was one of my second (STAMMERS) was able for me to make my second decision. And I think it's a worth, it's a, it's a hell of a part in my life because, due to the mere fact of the Second World, the Second World War, I was called to the service and notice I use the word, I was called into service.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Then from that I was, I was very, very fortunate, extremely fortunate. I came back here as a normal, complete individual. They didn't send, first of all they didn't send me back on a casket or black bag, uh, for the first, good, best part of it. Second part of it, I had all of my limbs. Third part, I had my faculty. And the fourth part, and those, that, that I'm just naming things that had happened to me, I was able to came back here, I got back here and I took advantage of the GI Bill of Right.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Without the GI Bill of Right, I don't think I would have been able to go to college. I went to (STAMMERS) back to Burke High School, I had an opportunity of receiving my diploma, high school diploma, 'cause I was drafted out of my senior year, and going to college. Luckily I met a young lady by the name of Miss Clark and I spoke with her and she came out of the classroom and she made a (STAMMERS) recommendation to me and she told me which one that she thought would be a best for me to do.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And I did what she did, what she recommend. And it has been proven to be very, very good decision-making. From, I, (STAMMERS) went back to Burke, got my whole senior year, I repeated my senior year, not that I had to, but because she recommend, due to the mere fact of you've been out of training and the process of studying, the habit of studying, that by repeating your senior year it would get you back on track.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Give you time to make the adjustment. I made the adjustment, I took my senior year and on top of that, she said, now you can go in the veterans' class or you can come into my homeroom as matriculator, as a regular student. At that particular time, South, the state of South Carolina was given what they call the 20, 52-20, $20 a month, $20 a week for 52 weeks. I took it. I graduated, class of '47.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) And I really wanted to go to Howard, 'cause pre-med was my, was what I wanted to be a doctor. And I was not able to be a doctor and not knowing that, at that particular time, I could have went to any school in the United State and demand that the state of South Carolina paid my tuition because they did not have a medical school set up in South Carolina for Blacks at that time.

INTERVIEWER: Now you, you mentioned educational benefits. Are you, can you think of any other ways that your service in the Marine Corps affected your life? Since you left the Marine Corps?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: No, I would have to say that's, that is my top priority. That's top of my list.

INTERVIEWER: Okay. Uh, one other question. If, if you had, well, you say you were drafted, but...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) (LAUGH) Ask the question (UNINTELLIGIBLE) 'cause I have an idea of what you wanna say, if I had the opportunity, would I go back into the Marine Corps?

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) That's exactly right, yes, sir.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Well, I would, for the experience that I had in the Marine Corps and what I got out of it I would.

INTERVIEWER: Okay.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Now that I know what the Marine Corps is like, I would probably volunteer for the Marine Corps. And I'm proud to be an ex-Marine. I don't, I don't hide it. Those people who knows me will tell you and say, yeah, he'll let you know in a second that he's an ex-Marine. I don't, I don't hide it. But you, you're dealing with a tough individual.

INTERVIEWER: (SOUNDS LIKE) I understand.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: You see.

INTERVIEWER: (SOUNDS LIKE) Sorry.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: But you didn't, didn't ask me about my further education, what did I do, uh, because of the Marine Corps (SOUNDS LIKE) presents the, because of the service, giving you the opportunity to get an education, that's, you notice how I said because of the service giving you an opportunity to get an education, what did you do with it?

INTERVIEWER: Well, would you like to tell me?

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) Yes.

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) (SOUNDS LIKE) Yes, sir. Please do...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) I'm proud of it.

INTERVIEWER: Please do.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Uh, from there, after I graduated from (UNINTELLIGIBLE) while working at going to Claflin (SP?) I went into New York and I worked during the summer. Came back to Claflin, played football. Claftin was not the school I wanted to go. I don't regret graduating from Claflin University. Don't ever forget that. I'm a proud Claflinite. Okay? But from there, I went from Claftin, due to the mere fact of working, I went to a cosmetic manufacturing company called Richard, at that particular time, was called Richard Warner.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) On the corner of 6th and 18th Street in New York City, okay? It has since merged with Warner Lambert, a cosmetic manufacturing company. From there, I went to Albert Einstein College Of Medicine, and I was hired at Albert Einstein College Of Medicine at that, in 1959, that school was originally founded in 1957. That's when they start, Dean Cougar (SP?) was the dean of the, of the medical school at that particular time. That's when they start putting the faculty together.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Okay? So, but I got in there in 1959. I was hired by a young, by a doctor by the name of Henry L. Larson (SP?). He was the chairman of the physical, physiology department. And I, he hired me with a B.S. degree, major in biology, minor in math and chemistry, and he hired me as a handyman. I took it. I took it. You can't start at the top.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (CONTINUED) Okay? So, but, I was picked up by a young lady by the name of Dr. Buckley, Nancy M. Buckley in the Physiology Department, cardiovascular was her specialist. And I, (STAMMERS) she brought on me on board with her as a technician. And I went through the ranks of Technician Research Assistant to Research Associate. I retired from Albert Einstein College Of Medicine in 1988. And we have a hell of a relationship.

INTERVIEWER: I understand. But you came back here in '99 so...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) I came back here in '99.

INTERVIEWER: You lived in New York from...

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: (OVERLAPPING) I lived in New York, then from New York I moved over to Jersey in 1969...

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) I see.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: I moved to Patterson, New Jersey, in 1969.

INTERVIEWER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: And one of my, one of my other best decision I could have made was to, I have two kids, have a wife, two kids, we're divorced (SOUNDS LIKE) Donson, her maiden name was James. I have two kids, Samfort (SP?) and Carol. I have one grand, Jamal, he's 17.

INTERVIEWER: You've had a very successful life, sir.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: Hey, and I'm still trying to live it.

INTERVIEWER: You are.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: And enjoy it.

INTERVIEWER: Yes, sir. When, uh, it seems that you are. (LAUGH) You know, I, I, I, I don't have any questions unless it's just some comment, you, you, you want to have one more parting shot, anything, the floor is yours.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: No, I would like to hear what you have to say after you, you're the doctor and, oh, while I was at Albert...

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) Well, he's a doctor too.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: While I, while I was at Albert Einstein College Of Medicine, we worked on transplanting of hearts.

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) Oh, okay.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: And we publicized paper, my name is on 25 or more publication, reprints, okay?

INTERVIEWER: (OVERLAPPING) Good. I understand.

ISAAC DAVID FRASIER: And this is not, not in fine print, it's up front.

INTERVIEWER: Good. That's success. Well, we thank you sir.


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